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Upon downloading and extracting, you’ll find inside the extracted folder a file called ‘Planetary Profit Calculator.exe’ with a fancy rocket icon. To start finding out the costs of your product, You’ll want to hit the ‘add new plan’ button. That’ll bring up this window. 20.92M ISK at 15% Tax. 27.90M ISK at 20% Tax. Factor that across 400,000 plus units of P1 materials, and add in Import Taxes, and it gets bloody expensive. (It can be a sizeable proportion of the overall build cost and can make it very difficult to complete against players using low tax POCO out of Empire Space.). Keep DOTLAN EveMaps running! Support it by donating or buying GTC from: API J: 04 Jul 03:44: K: 04 Jul 03:38: C: 04 Jul 04:01: A: 04 Jul 04:04: O: 04 Jun 11:15.
This post is part of a series on looking at PI; this post looking at my new P4 factory planet. If you are after simple ISK; this is not the post you are looking for.What I am documenting is what worked according to plan and the traps that I found (so far - there will most likely be more traps later). This post assumes some knowledge of PI. I am documenting what I found in my initial PI setup.
As I said in my previous post - I don't like crafting things for a loss. A lot of players optimise for convenience; I try to optimise for profit. I know time is money; but time spent now understanding now should pay for itself in the longer term.
I have spent time, enough to worry about. Many hours building my spread, building then partially rebuilding my P4 planet and spreadsheet. I am aiming for 100K/hour passive profit for my first P4 factory (or 17M/week), restocking my planet no more than once per week (Umm. Such lofty and unrealisable goals).
Profit can be played with in different ways; so for the sake of this installation:
- All prices are Sing Liason (Dodixie) regional prices for reasonable quantities, ignoring very small orders.
- Input costs are based on region sell orders + import taxes
- Sale prices are based on 1/2 way between region buy and sell orders.
- Profit from the P4 installation is Sale Price - export tax of finished products - sale prices.
- I will transport these items 'for free'.
- I should do better than sell orders for input material; however I am allocating any addtional funds from this to trading not to manufacture.
- I hope to do better than 1/2 way between buy and sell orders, might do worse. This seems a reasonable compomise.
What worked well.
I have chosen Integrity response drones, from my updated spreadsheet (now v0.2 - with plans to increment it with every post on PI). Even with a highsec factory - I have found a fit that allows me a (small) profit to fulfill buy orders; and I can do sell orders about 10% higher than thatI am making Integrity Response Drones for 790K ISK each; add 135K for (10%) export tax, for a sale price of 925K ISK. They currently have a Dodixie buy price of 955K, and a Sell price of 1,085K (and are selling). Providing I keep the planet fed and prices don't jump around too much, I am expecting about 31M Isk per week.
I have also restricted costs using buy orders, however only for a few jumps from my current PI system.
I have :
- 1 P4 High Tech Factory
- 4 P3 Advanced factories in pairs manufacturing 2 of the 3 required commodities required, importing the last.
- 16 P2 factories in sets of 4 manufacturing 4 of the 6 required commodities to feed my (2 sets of ) P3 factories
- P3 planetary vehicles
- P2 polytextiles and transmitters
I also am running 2 launchpads and one storage facility, This is at the cost of a factory or 2, but gives the planet some time to work by itself. The decision as to how much storage vs manufacturing, and what type is somewhat arbitrary. Storage facilities are slightly larger and need far less CPU but need expedited transfers; lauchpads are the opposite.
The Customs office also (for hisec at least) works as convenient storage. While you need to be in system and in space, you can access it for transferring to and from the planet even just outside the station in a frigate.
The opportunity for buy orders in a field that I understand the demand helps, as I have a personal instinctive dislike of buy orders before I know what I am going to do with the products.
What didn't work as well as I would have liked
I can not make everything needed; there simply isn't the CPU or power available even with Command Center Upgrades 4 (previously had 3). I chose items to manufacture based on the greatest profit I could for each factory. In the short term I am unlikely to spend the fortnight training to Level 5 required to get possibly 2 (possibly 3 more intermediate factories). I would rather train up my two alts for PI in far less time.
Storage is a killer. Restocking my P4 planet once per week is purely in my dreams. Much more storage and I will miss out on profitability, as with 10% PI taxes it appears better to value add as many steps as possible on one planet. Just over 3 days is do-able, but my setup will allow for just under 2.5 days; in practice I am looking at 1.5 days and less shuffling to the Storage Facility.
Hisec PI taxes are significant: 1.5 days for my factory has 7.4M Isk in taxes made up of 2.5 M Import tax and 4.9 Export tax. For an expected sale price of 39M, PI taxes make up 19% or nearly double the so-called '10% PI tax.
Layout matters as there are few visual clues to what each part of your factory is. Next time I set up a factory, I will more clearly 'chain' individual components.
I have noticed that my buying is putting upward pressure on the prices of input materials, but selling is not (yet) significantly influencing the sell prices.
Summary
Hisec P4 factory producing Integrity Response Drones, cherry picking the most profitable items to manufacture. Have to restock every 1.5 to 2.5 days; with 21 Industry buildings, 2 lauchpads and a storage building. Expected profit 31M Isk/week. This is OK ISK earner, but not a setup I would recommend to newbies uncomfortable with inventory management.My plan from here is to look at a Losec extractor planet, with a player build Customs office with a lower tax rate.
Planetary Industry |
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Introduction to PI |
Planetary Industry 101 |
The Basics |
Planets |
Advanced |
Identifying valuable planets |
E-Uni Campuses |
Other Resources |
Planetary Industry (PI) (previously called Planetary Interaction or Planetary Production (PP)), is a type of Industry that allows pilots to create industrial colonies on just about any planet in the EVE universe.We will use the two terms and the corresponding abbreviations interchangeably for now. The aim of this is producing goods from raw materials extracted from the planet. Planetary Industry can produce a range of commodities which can be used in blueprints to create POS Structures and Fuel Blocks, Sovereignty structures, Boosters, Nanite Repair Paste, and T2 components. It was introduced in May 2010 with the Tyrannis expansion and received some UI changes and a new name in 2018 with the Abyss expansion.
- 7Setting Up a New Colony
- 9Profit!
- 9.5Transport: Two Options
- 12Tips
Introduction
To engage in Planetary Industry, pilots need to purchase the correct Command Center for their chosen planet from the market. There are eight types of Command Centers (one for each type of planet). Once the correct Command Center is placed on a planet other facilities such as extractors and processors may be placed. As the correct Command Center needs to be deployed before beginning any extraction, it is good to survey and select your chosen planet(s) prior to purchase.
Once raw materials have been collected, they can be processed on-planet or on a planet dedicated to manufacturing into basic or advanced goods, taken off-planet for station-based processing into a variety of products used in space, or sold. Material is removed from a planet either by launches from the Command Center or through a planetary Customs Office that charges a tax. Material can be brought down to a planet only through the Customs Office, at a reduced taxation rate.
Selling the materials and/or goods provides a source of income to players who invest in the necessary skills. You can keep a colony running with a little attention once a day, more often if you want to optimize, or less often if you'd just like to coast along and check on your assets once in a while.
Currently the facilities on the planet are invulnerable, however you may indirectly compete with others for nearby resources. Retrieving the valuable products from planets is another matter altogether, as pilots experience the typical risks of transporting valuables.
Planetary Industry can be performed in all areas of space (highsec, lowsec, NPC 0.0 space, sovereign 0.0 space, and wormhole space). A small number of systems are not available for colonization due to high traffic or storyline reasons. The list of restricted systems is:
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Also, Planetary Industry is not available in Shattered systems.
Quick Start Videos
The following videos explain the basics of Planetary Industry. For more details you should consult the Setting up a planetary colony page.
CCP made an older video part Planetary Industry video guide (post-Incursion), which you can find here (YouTube)
An even older (pre-Incursion) E-UNI guide can be found here: Streaming (YouTube) (HD) or Download (Eve-Files) (1280x720 HD).
A transition guide for players adapting to the changes in Incursion is here: (YouTube)
Some more advanced video guides are also available:
- Single-Planet P3 Production - note that with Incursion it is no longer possible to do 'perfect' P3 production on any planet, as no command center can support four ECU's and the factories needed to achieve continuous P3 production. However the video is still helpful as it gives an excellent overview of setting up from start to final production.
- POS Fuel Production Guide
Skills
None of the skills related to PI are technically required to try it out. However, you'll be limited to a single Command Center (and thus a single planet) of the lowest quality until you do some initial training. Additionally, unless you want to place your extractors blind, you'll want to train Remote Sensing to at least level 1. Thus, you're most likely to get the best use out of training that first, then Interplanetary Consolidation and Command Center Upgrades.
Click each skill link for more details
- (Planet Management) Interplanetary Consolidation - Increases the number of planets you can install command centers on up to 6
- (Planet Management) Command Center Upgrades - Allows you to use better quality command centers. This in turns allow you to increase the number of installations on the planet.
- (Planet Management) Remote Sensing - Allows a player to scan planets remotely. Each skill level increases the distance at which it's possible to scan. Requires level 1 to scan at all, so train to level 1 before starting PI.
- (Planet Management) Planetology - Increases the resolution when scanning planets for resources. This is visible in the number of gradient bands displayed on the planet surface when scanning for a resource.
- (Planet Management) Advanced Planetology - Increases the precision when scanning planets for resources. Note that Planetology allows you to see more details while Advanced Planetology allows you to have a more accurate idea of where the resources are located. See the skills page for more info.
- (Trade) Customs Code Expertise - Reduces the NPC tax rate of Player Owned Customs Offices (POCOs) in high sec. It does NOT, however, have any effect on tax rates with NPC customs offices neither inside or outside of high sec.
Planets
For more details, see Planets
Planets come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, and accordingly provide different materials. Each planet provides five resources, but a few unique resources each only exist on a single planet type. The unique resources include Autotrophs ( Temperate planets), Felsic Magma ( Lava planets), and Reactive Gas ( Gas planets).
At first you are limited to a single planet, so ideally you need to initially figure out what you're interested in harvesting and/or producing, pick the planet most appropriate for that activity, and then look for an example with the right resources in abundance. Note that planets in lower security systems are richer overall -- see Good Planets for some analysis. While you can colonize planets in unclaimed or NPC nullsec (even wormhole space!) you cannot colonize planets in territory claimed by an alliance other than your own.
To actually look for a planet you can use several different methods. You can fly to planets and click them, or be lazy and just select the planets from your overview. The Atlas can help you pick other systems, but it takes a few clicks to really get anywhere. Either way you'll want to use the 'View in planet mode' option and get yourself a nice up-close view.
You can also select planets from several other different views -- via your MapBrowser (F11), for example. You can see a planet's overall resource abundance (and admire its visual appeal!) from anywhere, but the planet must be within your Remote Sensing skill range for you to actually perform a Scan operation for a specific resource (i.e. show its 'heat' map). You can manage a planet you've already colonized from anywhere.
Resources and Products
For more details, see Planetary Commodities
The items involved in Planetary Industry are known as Resources (extracted from Planets) and Products (produced from Resources or other Products on planets)
Resources are considered Tier Zero (R0), at least in the context of this guide, and each level of processing increases the tier by one. You thus get Tier 1 products (P1) produced by Resources (R0), Tier 2 Products (P2) produced by combining two different P1s, and so on. Processing items from one tier to the next happens in a Processor on the surface of a planet, and each tier requires a different amount of different items. Processing can then be summarized as such, one level of processing needed per column:
Resources (R0) | Tier 1 Products (P1) | Tier 2 Products (P2) | Tier 3 Products (P3) | Tier 4 Products (P4) |
The actual Product combinations are performed as per 'schematics' that are instructions for a Processor. Each schematic takes one to three items of varying tiers and quantities. You do not need to extract all the Resources you need on the same planet, nor process them to Tier 4. At any point you can supplement your 'Colonies' from the market or sell your goods there.
Aside from leading to higher tiers of planetary Products, some PI goods can be used for T2 blueprints, Starbase / Sov structures, nanite paste, or POS fuel. For more information on the involved items, see Planetary Commodities. To find out how to get started looking for your initial Resources, read on!
Planetary Buildings
For more details, see Planetary Buildings
To extract and produce resources and products you need buildings! Buildings match the planet they are constructed on, but players only need to worry about selecting the right type of command center, the rest are built in-place on the planet and thus always of the right type. Each building beyond the Command Center costs a set amount of Powergrid (PG) and CPU. At a glance, the following structures exist:
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The first building you must construct, deployed from orbit (or technically anywhere undocked in the system). Only a basic command center can be bought from the market. Command centers can be upgraded post-construction. Upgrades range from basic to elite, providing more CPU and Powergrid per level. Command Centers can store a small amount of material and offer a simple rocket-launch mechanism allowing the shipping of materials to orbit. | |
Extractor Control Units | Extractor Control Units (ECUs) allow the installation of extraction programs and the building of extraction heads. To make use of the extraction programs, you must select the resource type for all heads, a duration for the program (up to 14 days), and a route for the raw material to follow once extracted, lest it be lost. Additionally, you must manually initiate the extraction of a particular 'seam' of the resource and submit your action before extraction begins. |
Extractor Heads | Extraction of resources is done by extractor heads that are installable via the ECUs. The heads can be placed within the ECUs area and can be moved via drag and drop to resource hot-spots for a greater extraction amount. |
Processors | These come in three different types, Basic (used to transform raw materials (P0) to processed materials (P1)), Advanced (used to either transform processed materials (P1) in refined commodities (P2) OR refined commodities (P2) in specialized commodities (P3)), and High Tech (used to transform specialized commodities (P3) in advanced commodities (P4)). The latter can only be built on barren or temperate planets. |
Storage Facilities | About as simple as a planetary building goes, these hulks simply store materials or goods, potentially as part of a larger logistics system. |
Launchpad | A building dedicated to moving materials and goods to and from the planet. This building operates in a similar way to the rocket launch function of the Command Center, but it benefits from its connection to a Cargo Link in orbit above the planet. From there, the owner can import and export goods, albeit at great expense. |
Planetary Links | These can be thought of as railroads, connecting different structures. In addition to their construction (which has a base cost plus a distance cost), routes have to be defined using the links to route specific products across your planetary network. They have a finite capacity in m3 per hour and can be upgraded. |
Setting Up a New Colony
For more details including a step-by-step pictorial guide of setting up a colony, see Setting up a planetary colony
Planet Scanning
After you've familiarized yourself a bit with planets and resources, you'll probably want to extract one from the other. Finding a planet that is simply abundant in a resource you want is only the first step. Now you need to find out where on the planet you'll want to place your stuff. To get started, get yourself into Planet Mode and make sure you're on the 'Scan' tab. You should see the five available resources, a 'NO FILTER' bar, and a colorful 'heat' bar. Click any one resource and you'll get a heat map showing where on the planet that resource is abundant.
The colored bar will allow you to modify the contrast of the heat map - as very rich or very poor resources may completely white out or appear invisible if your contrast is off. There are two triangles on the contrast bar. The left one will set the minimum resource abundance you want on the map (if you move it right poorer areas will disappear), and the right one will determine how rich a resource have to be to show as white (if you move it left poorer resources will show more distinctly). Ideally you'll want a balance where you can clearly see where the richer parts of the planet are. Remember that the colors are relative to the contrast bar setting - two white spots for the same resource on different planets with different contrast bar settings are not equal!
You can leave a resource highlighted as you shift to the 'Build' tab so you can more easily place an extractor on a rich spot (the white spot on this screenshot). To remove the heat overlay click the 'NO FILTER' bar.
Deploying a Command Center
To get started on building stuff you need to first deploy a Command Center (CC) of the right type on your target planet.
Consider which resources you're targeting and where they are, placing your CC at some ideal spot near them (that is, if you plan to use it to export products instead of a Launchpad. The CC doesn't actually need to be connected to anything for you to build other structures). You'll usually end up placing your CC on the edge of one resource type (or a 'pair' of resources that usually hang out together) with another resource type growing in intensity the further it gets from the white 'peak' of the first. Whether or not resources are grouped, opposed to each other, live in bands, etc, depends on the planet type. See Planet for more details.
With the Build menu up, select the 'Command Centers' menu and CCs of the specific size will light up, ready to be placed. If all are greyed out, make sure you put the CC in your cargo hold, that you are undocked, and that you are not at your colony cap (Interplanetary Consolidation skill). Drop the CC in the target spot and after it is placed be sure to click the 'Submit' button that now appears in the UI to your left. Almost nothing in Planetary Industry is finalized until you click 'Submit' and you can group some orders before submitting them (you might get a timer if you keep hitting Submit after every tiny change).
After your CC has been deployed and you have submitted changes, further build options will become available. There seems to be a bug whereby sometimes these new options remain greyed out and are not selectable after deploying your CC. If this happens, simply leave planetary industry mode (click 'exit') and then go back into it. Build options should now appear correctly allowing you to continue building your colony.
You can upgrade your CC as needed once placed, up to your maximum Command Center Upgrades skill level.
Surveying with an Extractor Control Unit
Placing other buildings is just like placing a CC, though you'll want to keep consulting your Scan tab to make sure you get the Extractor Control Unit in an area that can reach out to rich spots. After you've placed an Extractor Control Unit (ECU), you have to Survey, which is distinct from Scanning. Surveying shows the actual numeric amounts a single resource that can be extracted in a single spot under an Extractor Head. To perform a survey, simply select an Extractor and click the left-most button, highlighted in this screenshot.
You will be presented with another window (in the bottom half of the screenshot). First, select the type of resource you wish to extract. Then, move the 'Extractor Area Size' slider until you have the desired program duration (how often you will have to come back to resurvey your extractors (ranges from 1 hour to 14 days)). Click on the first 'Extractor Head Units' circle to create an Extractor Head. You can now move this new Extractor Head around within the radius of influence of the Extraction Control Unit (the grey circle you saw when placing the ECU) and watch the graph of extraction amount to see where a good deposit appears. Extractor Control Units can have up to 10 Extractor Heads. Each additional head consumes an amount of CPU (110) and Powergrid (550). The Extraction Area Size/Duration is a trade-off of varying total amount, cycle time (doubles at 25 hours (1d1h) to 30 min, 50 hours (2d2h) to 1hr, 4d4h to 2hr, 8d8h to 4hr.), per-cycle yield, and management requirements. If you have ample time to check on your Extractors often you can get a higher yield over shorter periods. If you do not want to check very often you can instead select long-term deposits so you won't need to babysit your extractors.
After you select a deposit of your choice be sure to hit the 'Install' button. This will forward you to the Product menu (second button on the ECU Window), from where you can route your extracted Resource somewhere. Keep in mind that when the cycle runs it course, you can rescan in the same place (with the same extractor) to begin the cycle again (or you can change the resource and move your Extractor Heads around again). But before you can route, you must link!
Here is a video that shows how Extractor Heads are deployed (YouTube)
When you return to refresh your extraction programs, you may notice that the actual amount of materials extracted may be different (usually less) than the amount you expected. This inaccuracy may be mitigated by training Planetology and Advanced Planetology, but even at high skill levels the difference can be significant. To further reduce the inaccuracy, after you move your extractor heads and click start, DO NOT submit yet. Instead, click on the 'Install Program' button again, and look at the updated extraction amount. If this is very different from what you expected, stop the program, move the heads, and try again until you have what you need.
Links and Routes
Links are used to connect buildings together so you can route materials around. Buildings cost money, Links do not. Both cost Powergrid and CPU, and the longer your links, the more PG and CPU they cost, limiting you from building other more interesting stuff. So short and few links are best, but sometimes you'll have to connect out to reach distant Extractors. The Planet_Radius plays a significant role in PG cost of links so be mindful of this when placing them.
There are multiple ways to get started making links, CTRL-clicking any building being the easiest. After your Link is started simply click (without CTRL) your target structure and your Link is ready to build next you hit 'Submit'. You do not need to connect every building to every other building, nor do you even need to start from or include your CC at all (generally a Launchpad is superior). Routes will connect through multiple 'hops' (intervening structures) up to six links away. So you can make a few central 'highway' links to connect distant clusters to each other.
After a Link is planned (no need to hit 'Submit' yet) you can finally make Routes! For a simple example you could route the Extractor to the CC in the screenshot, and then the CC to the Processor. Having started extracting earlier and installed a Schematic in the Processor you should be fully ready to Route next. Click the Extractor and go to the Products sub menu (this is where you'll be dropped off after Installing a Deposit, so it helps to prepare all your buildings and links before starting any Extractors), click the available Resource, select 'Create Route', pick the CC, and hit 'Create Route' again to finalize.
At this point your Extractor will route its output to your CC, where it'll build up until routed during production, until the CC is full or the Extractor finishes its deposit. You'll want to click the main 'Submit' button now to allow the Extractor to start working. Again, you might be tempted to route straight to the Processor, but resist! You'll waste precious material that way!
Next, click its Products sub menu and route from there to the Processor. Now when your processor is ready for more it will pull the resource for production, once you submit your changes. But wait! Lastly make a route the same way from the Processor back to your CC (or other storage). Like the extractor if it isn't stored it is lost. Finally hit 'Submit' again and congratulations, you now have a working colony!
For more information on Links and Routing see Intraplanetary Logistics. To learn about what to do next, keep reading!
Industry
You now know how to get started with building stuff, and how to find and extract Resources. Good progress! Now we get to truly kick the industrial process into gear.
The first step after extracting Resources is turning them into the first tier of Products - P1. Consult Planetary Commodities to find out what P1 item the resources you are extracting turn into, and then place a Basic Processor somewhere near your Extractor or some sort of storage - your CC has enough storage capacity for a starting colony. You can move your stuff straight from an Extractor to a Processor, but risk losing any 'overflow' of material that backs up while the Processor is working. So always try to use storage first.
Anyway, that's the next step, not yet! So get your Basic Processor built and look at the menu highlighted in the screenie - Schematics! For the displayed Processor we've selected and submitted an order for Bacteria, which takes 3000 units of Micro Organisms and turns them into 20 units of Bacteria. You must have a schematic selected to be able to route a Resource to your Processor, and only the exact ingredient(s) needed will be routable there.
Beyond turning Resources into P1 look at the Planetary Commodities page again for more combinations including those for Advanced Industry Facilities and High Tech Production Plants.
Colony Management
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For more details, see Colony Management
Now that you have built your first colony, you're on your way! After training Interplanetary Consolidation you can have multiple colonies, one per skill level, plus the initial one, and you may have to find them among the 67k planets in EVE again. Your current colony worlds can be found in the Science and Industry Tab, from which you can enter planet mode for each.
Producing the higher tier products on a single planet narrows down to where each P3 can only be produced from scratch (in other words, without importing goods) on a single planet type. P4 items all need multiple planet types, from two to five. This is where you need to start thinking about how deep you'd like to get into Planetary Industry. Look around for some blue or red pills and start talking about rabbit holes. Of course, a primary motivator is the title of the next sectionFor more information on how to deal with getting goods between colonies, see Interplanetary Logistics.
In short, to build one unit of a P4 item you have to deal with two planets at least, launching your lower tier Products into orbit via a CC or Launchpad, then importing them via a Customs Office on another planet for further processing. You have to repeat this process multiple times for some P4s. It's likely that your extra efforts(i.e. transporting materials between planets) devoted into this process will make the more involved products more profitable. But this depends. You need carefully consider many factors, like the tax for every transportation, the market price for the components and the final product, the time consumed(Time is money, you should know) and so on. It's recommended that you do some calculation before you decide to produce any kind of products.
With the new ECUs in Incursion it is no longer possible to do 'perfect' P3 production on any planet—that is, continuously producing a P3 item at maximum output. You can extract one resource at a time, but no CC can support four ECUs and the factories needed to achieve continuous P3 production. This means if you are looking to maximize production, P3 production will always require at least 2 planets.
Profit!
Assuming you'd just like to get on with it and make some money, we can certainly do that! Anything you make with PI can be sold on the market, though it is difficult to say what is going to be the most profitable. At a minimum it seems reasonable to recommend processing your Resources into P1 goods before trying to sell them, as doing so shrinks the volume they take up to about 25% of the original. Even better would be going for P2 for another drop to 25% of the original, or a tiny 6.25% total of the volume in plain Resources.
As mentioned above, it's usual to import and export items, but you need to pay taxes for both processes. The tax rates are preset at the planet's Customs Office and vary among systems with different security status.
Base Costs
Commodities cost a percentage of a set taxable value per unit to export or import, based on the commodity's tier in the industry chain.
Commodity level | Base Cost |
R0 | 5 ISK |
P1 | 400 ISK |
P2 | 7,200 ISK |
P3 | 60,000 ISK |
P4 | 1,200,000 ISK |
However, due to the above taxable values being per unit, and because of the compression that occurs as the PI product is refined to higher tiers, some tiers are cheaper to export/import than others:
- A 30-minute Basic Industrial Facility cycle uses 3000 units of R0 to make 20 units of P1, for taxable values of (3000*5=) 15000 ISK before vs. (20*400=) 8000 ISK after, a 47% reduction in taxable value, in addition to the volume being reduced to about 25% of the original.
- A 1-hour P1 to P2 cycle uses a total of (2*40=) 80 units of P1 to make 5 units of P2, for taxable values of (80*400=) 32000 ISK before vs. (5*7200 =) 36000 ISK after, an increase of 12.5% during this cycle but still a net reduction from R0. Due to planetary colony CPU/PG restrictions, production of P3 or higher products on a single planet isn't possible, so you'll have to export at this stage at the latest, usually. Volume compression is still about 4-fold, from 30.4m³ to 7.5m³.
- A 1-hour P2 to P3 cycle uses 20 or 30 units of P2 to make 3 units of P3, for taxable values of (20*7200=) 144000 ISK / (30*7200=) 216000 ISK before vs. (3*60000=) 180000 ISK after, i.e. either an increase of 25% or a decrease of 16.7%. Volume reduction is to 60% or 40% respectively.
- Finally, a P3 to P4 cycle uses either:
- a total of 18 units (3 different types) of P3 to produce 1 unit of P4, for taxable values of (18*60000=) 1080000 ISK before vs. 1200000 ISK after, or
- a total of 12 units (2 different types of P3 and 40 units of P1 to produce 1 unit of P4, for taxable values of (12*60000+40*400=) 736000 ISK before vs. 1200000 ISK after
- volume change is 108m³ or 87.2m³ respectively to 100m³, so not very significant.
Note that if you want to produce P3 or P4, you basically have to pay the potentially higher (relative to the previous stage) taxes, but this information should help you decide e.g. which Planetary Industry products to make at higher-tax locations.
However, perhaps the most important lesson of the above taxable value calculations is that even with a purely resource-extracting planet, refining from R0 to P1 is definitely worth it not just for the significantly reduced hauling needs, but also for significantly lower taxes. When producing up to the P2 stage, producing 1 type of P2 per planet and only exporting at that stage is probably the cheapest option overall, compared to also having to buy both an export and import tax on the P1. However, when producing P3 or higher goods, where you always need to import something in any case, one should consider whether it might be feasible to export at the P1 stage on the initial resource production planets (or buy P1 from the market) and import the P1 to be refined to higher-tier goods.
High Sec
High-sec Player-Owned Customs Offices have a 10% NPC tax rate, in addition to the tax rate set by the POCO owner, which can vary according to your standings towards the owning corp. Corporations who own Customs Offices can charge as much as they please.
The NPC portion of the tax rate can be reduced by the Customs Code Expertise skill added with Rubicon.
The tax rate show in the description of a specific high-sec Customs Office is equal to:
Low Sec, Null Sec, and Wormhole Space
NPC-owned Customs Offices outside of high-sec (if any remain, which is unlikely) charge 17%. That rate cannot be reduced (The skill Customs Code Expertise does not affect this).For Player-Owned Customs Offices outside of high-sec, there is no NPC tax component, so the whole tax rate is exactly what the owning corp sets it at. Again, Customs Code Expertise does not affect these rates.
Import/Export Formulas
Importing that unit of Biomass to a high-sec factory planet will cost at minimum an additional 20 ISK (400 * (10% + % Player Tax) * 0.5 )
Transport: Two Options
You have two options for getting goods off your planet, either launching a simple (and small) rocket from your CC or placing a Launchpad on your colony (rather expensive) and using it to interact with an orbiting Customs Office.
Launchpad
The Launchpad has the greater cost up front, but is far superior to the CC and exports for 2/3 of the fee of a CC. It can also launch far larger amounts, and is the only way to import stuff on to the planet. However, keep in mind that you are charged 50% of the export fee to import items to your launchpad. Consider the costs carefully before setting up a multi-planet production chain. It is now be possible for player corporations to take over High Sec customs offices and set any tax rate they wish, if you have an large factory system making Level 4 items and need to import and export this also needs to be kept in mind.
Command Center
Sometimes your Customs Office may be camped by pirates or you are simply unwilling to pay the dramatic tax (like 80% or more). And when you start doing PI, the high requirement of a Launchpad may make you unwilling to build one because it reduces the CPU (3600tf per launchpad) available for production facilities. At this time you can use your Command Center to get your commodities off your planet.The screen capture here shows the easier option - a launch prepared from your CC, accessed via the rocket-looking icon. Simply click the items in your storage to add them to the pending launch and when you're happy click the nice 'Go for launch' button (not to be mistaken for the more yummy 'Go for lunch' button) and the contents of the launch will end up in a jet can orbiting the planet at a random spot. You get an entry in your planetary production window under launches for its location. This location can be warped to to pick up the items. There is also a timer when the timer ends your production is lost - don't worry too much, it can last several days before pickup!
After you pick up your items you can simply go sell them on the market like you would anything else. Easy money! The hard part is picking what Commodity to focus on.
FAQ
- Q: Can I colonize planets in wormholes?
- A: Yes you can.
- Q: Can I attack another player's colony?
- A: No.
- Q: Can an alpha account participate in PI?
- A: Technically yes, but effectively no. While an Alpha clone can plant a single Command Center, that CC cannot be upgraded beyond level 0 and so has almost no CPU/PWG space with which to place production facilities and have no way of getting products off planet as you must be Omega to launch from a Command Center.
- Q: Where do the products go when I launch them from the Command Center?
- A: The Command Center (CC) creates a special bookmark in space for the products. The bookmark can be found in your journal, under the 'Planetary Launches' tab. You can warp to it like a normal bookmark.
- Q: Can you deploy, manage or collect resources while cloaked?
- A: You can scan, deploy a CC, manage your colony, and launch items from a CC without decloaking. You cannot access the Customs Office or prepare a transfer from a Launchpad while cloaked. Additionally, you can not actually transfer items to a ship while cloaked.
Eve Online Pi Planet Chart
- Q: Can you deploy, manage or collect resources from a freighter?
- A: You can deploy CCs and manage your colonies from a freighter, and you can transfer items to and from a Customs Office. As of the Retribution Patch, you can pick up materials launched into orbit from the CC (because a Planetary Launch Container behaves like a jetcan). An industrial ship (such as the Epithal) may be a more appropriate ship for planetary transport tasks, as these ships are cheaper and faster than freighters.
- Q: Is Planetary Industry limited to system security status?
- A: No. A few special systems are off-limits due to high traffic or storyline reasons, but all other systems are available, including systems in wormhole space and sovereign nullsec. (Prior to the Hyperion Patch, planets in sovereign null could only be colonized by the alliance holding sovereignty.)
- Q: Can you remotely access colonies? Location of the Planetary Colonies icon in the Neocom menu.
- A: Yes. They can be accessed through the Planetary Colonies icon in the Business folder of the Neocom Menu. (The icon can be dragged onto the main Neocom bar for easy access.) Then, double-click on the colony you want to view. The only limitation of accessing a colony remotely is that you can't scan it unless it's within your Remote Sensing range.
Term list
The following terms are defined here in an attempt to make them widely used and not ambiguous with similar terms within the context of Planetary Industry. Note that some terms defined here may have alternative meanings outside of PI - such as Scan, which outside PI can refer to your ship's scanning abilities, unrelated to planets. Terms particularly likely to be ambiguous are listed in bold print.
- Planet Mode - the view you enter to interact with a planet
- Scan - the act of searching a planet for a particular resource (brings up a heat map)
- Survey - the act of locating deposits available to an extractor
- Deposit - a 'seam' of minerals or other resources that is exploitable by an extractor
- Resources - the various raw materials you can extract from planets.
- Products - actual items manufactured from Resources or other Products (tier 1 and beyond)
- Commodities - any PI material (Resources + Products)
- Tiers (P0, P1, etc) - raw materials (resources) are 0, then each level beyond that is a new set of products taking one manufacturing process per level
Eve Online Pi Planner
Tips
- Starting off small can help, check the local region for prices and make enough to cover your costs. Building large installations that cost a lot to start with can place you worse off. With something as new and as detailed as PI, playing it safe is usually your best bet.
- Planets may be managed from anywhere using the science and industry tool and clicking on the Planets tab.
- To open the planet over view from anywhere Press F11 and in the side panel you can use the bottom window to select planet view by right clicking the menu box in the left corner.
- By switching solar systems or regions in the above boxes you can scan planets in regions as far as your abilities allow.
- In the solar system box you can use show info under each solar system and look at orbital bodies to get a list of planet type rather than look at them one at a time. You can also view planet directly from the list.
- You can deploy Command Centers while docked, but you must be in the same system as the planet, and the command center must be in your ship's hold.
- http://www.eve-icsc.com/jumptools/jumpplanner.php use this link you calculate LY range to see what systems will be in range based on your Remote Sensing skill level. It will help with planning.
- Until you click the 'submit' button, no actual changes are made to your colony. This allows you to experiment with different setups without committing to them (for example arranging buildings and links to make best use of the available powergrid and CPU). If you do not want to make your changes, simply click 'cancel' and the colony will revert back to how it was.
- Doubleclicking various structures makes starting or adjusting production much faster. When you doubleclick factory it opens the schematics list, doubleclicking a schematic of your choosing opens the routing screen where you can doubleclick the product to enable the create route function and finally doubleclick the destination to create the route. Doubleclicking a silo opens also the routing screen.
- At schematics selection screen you can press the first letter of the schematic you are looking for to instantly move the selection window to the products starting with the letter you just pressed (need to click on the window first to activate the function).
Power Efficient Harvesting
You will want to maximize efficiency to maximize your profits. The layout of your facilities will help save power grid through optimization of your planetary links. This image represents an efficient method of resource harvesting, with some industry facilities.
On this Gas planet, 2 extractors feed into warehouses which buffer excess resources for basic industry facilities. 4 basic industry facilities produce water and electrolytes, which are then stored in the launchpad until 2 advanced industry facilities produce coolant. The coolant will eventually fill the launchpad, ready to fuel a POS or be shipped to an industry intensive planet in Organic Mortar Applicators.
Having several basic harvesting planets and a few high sec industrial planets, a pilot can make valuable goods that are space efficient, increasing the isk you make for the haul you take.
Using Poor Worlds (High Security Space)
Some people find the clicking excessive in PI while others aren't impressed with the income they can gain using local resources. There is another way to utilize PI for reasonable income.
For example of the solution I offer the Factory World.
Eve Online Pi Chart Interactive
Using 20 Advanced Processors and 2 Launchpads it processes 28,800 total (2 or more varieties) P1 tier commodities into P2 tier commodities in 18 hours. It is as click intensive as fueling a POS.
A quick spreadsheet or hand written notes about the sell/buy prices of the commodities in question are required for profit, the equation looks like:
- P2 (Buy) - ((P1 a (Sell)+ P1 b (Sell))*8) - (Import/Export Tax of 1.5 * taxrate) = Profit per unit
Advanced Processors can also be used to produce P3 products from P1 and P2 commodities. For these, the calculations become somewhat more complicated, because the taxes vary depending on whether the ingredients are P1 or P2.
Planetary Industry During War (Uni only!)
There are things you can still do with planets while the Uni is at war:
- Day-to-Day Management: Resurvey your extractors, route products in your colony
- Build/tear-down non-Command Center structures
- Launch containers from your CC if you really want, if you have no other storage (they'll last 5 days in orbit - difficult but maybe not impossible to pick up via alt + directional scanner, but certainly silly high effort to income)
- Decommission your entire colony
- For extended war periods, you may want to consider adding additional storage to planets.
These are things you can do while the Uni is at war but you must take extreme precautions with:
- Deploy Command Center on a new planet
- Export/Import to/from orbital Customs Centers (requires you to be in space in the same system)
- Pick up launch containers (yourself)
- Fly to within (skill-based) light years to scan for deposits
Consider Creating a Planetary Industry Alt.
War targets love to watch for lone Unistas who are vulnerable and solo doing activities such as PI in space. Take all precautions and don't risk an embarrassing industrial or other ship loss. Make sure you conduct these activities when war targets are not active or at least active near where you are doing PI activities. Use alts whenever possible.
Note that if you have the skill to fly a blockade runner and you take the time to bookmark a tactical at 200 km or so from your Custom Center, it is possible to do PI fairly safely. Simply fly cloaked to your tactical, use d-scan to make sure no one is nearby, and if clear warp to the Custom Center. You must be uncloaked to access the Custom Center, but you can move stuff between the surface and the Custom Center even when cloaked provided you are in the same system.
References
- Korai Iarok's Planetary Materials Diagrams [1]
- Alysii's PI Scheme [2]
- Cleanse's PI Tool [3]
- PI commodities relations, prices and planner [4]